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Confessions of a Pastor’s Husband

I didn’t plan to become a “pastor’s husband.” And I definitely did not plan to be a pastor. My grandfather was a pastor, and I caught a glimpse of how the sausage was made.

  • Church Splits
  • Curmudgeonly elders
  • Potlucks gone awry (Don’t try Sister Goldie’s tuna salad, unless you’ve been longing for a sick day)

I loved Jesus, and loved my Grandpa. He loved his church. But I also knew it wasn’t an easy life. He told me you had to be called to ministry in order to stay in it. So that was it. I didn’t hear the calling.

Instead, I thought I could be called to be another Charles Schulz, because surely everyone would always buy a physical newspaper and every newspaper was looking for the next Peanuts, right?

I could be winsome in my faith, like Sparky was, when he had Linus quote a Bible verse. A Christian comics artist seemed like a secure career move at the age of seventeen.

Yet, here I am.

In a twist of fate, it was my wife who answered the call. We didn’t take it lightly. I told her cautionary tales of unexpected 2:00 AM calls, worship wars, and Brother James, who wanted to give a thirty-minute testimony about his hangnail.

But she said yes. And because I love her (and recently illustrated a children’s activity book about stubborn Jonah and his detour to Nineveh), I said yes too.

I didn’t say yes to the same calling, nor the same role. I said yes to walking alongside her. And it was one of the best decisions I/we ever made.

That said, I’ve had a few confessions along the way.

Confession #1: I know some won’t “get it,” or even approve

I get it. And if you don’t approve, God bless you. This post isn’t for you. You probably don’t come from my background, where women in ministry are affirmed and encouraged.

I realize that even some from my church background will not approve because the larger church culture and Christian media may not approve of women in church leadership.

To be clear, I belong to a Wesleyan Holiness tradition that affirms women in ministry. This is not new, it’s not experimental, and it’s not edgy. It’s historical and theologically grounded.

Still, I’ve found it can confuse some people, like at a recent wedding my wife officiated, when a guy turned to his neighbor and asked, “What’s she doing up there? Where’s the bald, stodgy priest with the clerical collar?” Sorry to disappoint you, Skippy. That pastor is my wife!

Confession #2: I’m Not the Assistant Pastor

I admit we don’t make it easy for others because we both started in children’s ministry and served alongside each other for years.

So, I say this with affection and the realization that my dear grandmother, the pastor’s wife, had to say these things, too.

  • I am not automatically on staff
  • I am not secretly in charge of visitation, small groups, the facilities, or senior bingo night (However, I might know where the ice-melt, the mop, and the plunger are).
  • I am not required to have opinions

In more than one church, I heard the joke, “When they got Paula, they got a two-for-one special.” That was especially true when she was the head of the children’s ministry, because I, too, felt called to pour into children. But not everyone is wired that way.

A pastor’s spouse needs to find where they are gifted and to have a passion for ministry. It could be in an area that the pastor doesn’t serve. Or it may even be in a way that no one else sees on a regular basis.

It may also be just supporting his wife at home or behind the scenes. Don’t assume because we’re married to the pastor that we are an associate pastor!

Confession #3: Supporting Her Call Has Changed Me

Of course, we all change over time. But I didn’t expect how the ministry and the calling changed both of us.

Before her calling, I thought I knew how much it took to run a church service. Boy, was I naive! Prepping for a Sunday morning can look like D-Day, especially during the Christmas and Easter seasons.

And it can become a crisis during cold-and-flu season. When volunteers start dropping like brave soldiers on Omaha Beach, it can get discouraging for the General.

But each time the planning faced reality, whenever volunteers had to call off, or simply fail to show up, I saw my wife be faithful to her call.

It inspired me to do the same and report for duty in the preschool class where runny noses and sloppy sneezes prompted the bravest to wonder if they would be next in the great Influenza purge.

When she was called to another church, and things weren’t as they seemed, I saw her be faithful to the call even when church politics made us want to scream.

I saw her faithfulness to God’s call on her life and witnessed how he blessed it even in the most trying times. My love for her grew to admiration.

Resilience is required in ministry. And I hope a little of hers rubbed off on me. I’ve learned to point out hers and to be an encourager. That is rough when I just want to fix things.

Her ministry has taught me you can’t fix others who aren’t willing to change. In discovering that, I have changed for the better.

Confession #4: Sundays are Weird

They are exciting, action-packed, and loud. And yes, they can be a little weird.

One Sunday, a new couple showed up at our church. Ever the welcomer, my wife began chatting with them. Soon, the husband confessed that they had mistaken the church building for a nearby casino. They apologized and rushed out. We were left wondering what about the landscaping screamed Las Vegas.

Another time, there was a great controversy between teachers and a parent who insisted it was perfectly normal for her four-year-old to come to church with his squeaky shoes. The mother threatened to complain to the church board about the teacher after he remarked that they had forgotten to bring the clown car that day.

And then there was the time when the senior pastor decided to change communion up with a chalice instead of individual cups. Confused, a gentleman grabbed the cup and took a big swig. Everyone behind him were apalled. But he went home satisfied.

Why I’m writing this

I’m writing this because I’m not alone.

There are men who share a similar journey. They may not be called in the same way as their wives, but they see how God has used their wives to minister to their churches and to those in need.

This series isn’t about having all the answers. But it is about telling my journey and helping along someone who may be where I was several years ago. And for those who are not in a similar situation, I’ll do so with a wink and a few one-liners along the way.

Over the next several months, I’ll write about what it is like to support a wife in pastoral ministry: the challenges, the blessings, and the awkward moments. I’ll write as a husband, not a theologian or an expert. But I’ll write as a husband who loves the Lord and loves his wife.

If you are on a similar path, come along with me.

And if you’ve ever wondered what it’s like to be a pastor’s husband, well, this is my confession.

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A True Couple of Integrity

Last night, I got to see a very good man and woman honored. They are a couple of great integrity. Rolland Daniels is a man whom I have seen in various situations. Firstly, I have seen him has my pastor. Secondly he was my wife’s boss, and as someone who remained the same through good and challenging times. Thirdly, I’ve even seen him as a client when my company published his book.

In addition, I’ve seen his wife, Ellen in action as a pastor’s wife, classmate, and friend.

Through it all, I’ve seen their integrity shine through. Last night, we held an event as Rolland retires from ministry as a pastor. But like many have said about him, he by no means is retiring from ministry.

Over the last several months, I’ve read his latest book, Legacy Maker: Life a Life that Matters.

Copyright ©2019 Rolland Daniels

He writes it as a tribute to the values his father passed down to him. They are values I’ve seen him display as well. As a result, it was good to see a man and his wife honored for decades of faithful ministry. It has also been so good to see a faithful man being honored for these values.

Powerful, Kind Words

The first conversation I remember having with Rolland was at the Anderson University Kardatzke Wellness Center. It was before my wife or I worked with him. I considered him an acquaintance. We were both in the weight room when he spotted me.

He walked towards me. With a warm smile he said, “Hey, Kev! How’s G?”

“G” is short for my son’s name. I told him how he was doing well in football, and about to finish up high school I mentioned he was considering Anderson University for college.

He replied, “Man, Kev. You must be proud! That boy is going places. God has his hand on him. I hope you know that!”

I thanked him and we went on with our workouts. That touched me. Did he know my family that well? And he was speaking life and affirmation about my son! He didn’t have to do that. But it made my day. And you can bet I let my son know!

Boss Man

Later, he became my church’s executive pastor. My wife was the children’s pastor and she reported to him. We learned he was just as effective and genuine as a boss compared to behind a pulpit. We were so impressed because those are two very different sets of skills.

He was very supportive of us when my daughter was diagnosed with arthritis. He would ask my wife about her and encouraged my wife to take her on trips to the children’s hospital. Last night, he was honored for being a good family man. I also know him as someone who honored and nurtured my family.

He was gracious and encouraging when we felt called to another church and another state. Later, my wife loved working with him so much, she agreed to work with him one more time before he retired. We haven’t regretted it.

Beside Every Great Man

Rolland’s wife, Ellen was also honored tonight. She and I were in MBA classes at about the same time Rolland was our executive pastor. I found her to be just as genuine, caring and encouraging. There are so few couples who walk the walk. They are a couple that exudes integrity, teamwork and hospitality.

As the husband of a pastor, I’ve had few role models. Ellen showed me that you can work on your own career goals while supporting your spouse in ministry.

The Real Deal

Therefore, last night was bittersweet. We will miss them as they pursue a new stage in their lives. No doubt, they will show their integrity, warmth, and love for God wherever they go. My wife and I will genuinely miss them! They are the real deal!

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Why We Need Others to Make Progress

If it wasn’t for my wife, I would probably be that crazy uncle in my cartoon. The shirt that Crazy Uncle Carl wears reminds me of a hot pink shirt I had in the eighties. And those striped, neon green pants? Well, I may not have had them, but I would have bought them in a heartbeat! The lampshade would have attracted my design “sensibilities” as well.

If my wife didn’t come along at just the right time, my wardrobe may have remained stuck in the eighties and the course of history would have changed forever.

When our relationship started getting serious, she began purging my wardrobe. The obnoxious colors, old t-shirts and corduroy pants had to go. On the outside, I wasn’t very happy. But I knew she had good fashion sense and she was saving me from a life of being that crazy, single uncle.

We all have blind spots. If you think hot pink and neon green go together, your blind spot may be quite large. We need each other to make progress. We also need others to help us see where we are weak and to show us how we can make progress.

Cartoon of a guy dressed in bright, gaudy clothes and wearing a lampshade. A boy says to his dad, "Does our family ministry include Crazy Uncle Carl?"
Previously published in “Kidzmatter” Magazine
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Sketch Notes from 2014 Orange Conference: Public Speaking by Jeff Henderson

first page of sketch notes: Public Speaking by Jeff Henderson
First page of my sketch notes. The rest are below.
The 2017 Orange Conference is finished. I may post more sketch notes in the coming days. In the meantime, here is a set of my notes from the 2014 conference.

I attended a session where Jeff Henderson (@JeffHenderson), Lead Pastor at Gwinnett Church, talked about public speaking

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How to Lead When You’re Not in Charge by Clay Scroggins | Sketch Notes

Page 1 of sketch notes on "How to Lead When You're Not in Charge," by Clay Scroggins
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At yesterday’s Orange Conference, I heard Clay Scroggins give a great talk on leading yourself. The big takeaway I got from this talk is the importance of balancing positivity with a critical thinking. It is important to think critically in order to make things better while keeping a positive spirit. it is a balance, much like balancing between an aggressive and passive approach in leadership. Neither extreme is helpful.